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4 responses to “Lines drawn in the sky in Copenhagen”

  1. In response to Les I must say I like his sceptical approach and my scepticism of one claim he made led me to Google and straight away I found its refutation:
    Global Deforestation: Contribution to Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide …

    by GM Woodwell – 1983 – Cited by 128 – Related articles
    Global Deforestation: Contribution to Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. G. M. Woodwell 1, J. E. Hobbie 1, R. A. Houghton 1, J. M. Melillo 1, B. Moore 2, …
    http://www.sciencemag.org › Science Magazine › 9 December 1983 – Similar –

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/222/4628/1081

    Talking with Marty, an ex-physicist now a lawyer, when I mentioned historians being critical of the scientists conclusions and observed that their methods and way of using data are so different to those of science and should not be applied to scientific issues, he said that the climate deniers just do not understand how science works and therefore go on denying. I might add that the religious, who accept the tales made up by the ancients so ignorant of the world have the same problem.
    Never-the-less I agree with the concluding comments of Les as would the Buddha I suppose.

  2. Great article! As usual any big issue which involves many people and many bureaucrats becomes a monster of conflicting interests and ethical dilemmas. Personally I think that the whole focus is in the wrong area. At the risk of being labeled a heretic I offer these opinions for discussion.

    Personally I am not impressed with computer models and ‘Climate science’. Part of me feels as if the CO2 business could be a Furphy (red herring) with some other hidden agendas. I also think it is a huge diversion from what I see as more serious environmental issues of excessive consumption, deforestation, loss of habitat and unsustainable agriculture, just to name a few. These things will finish us sooner and more thoroughly than a few degrees warming (or cooling as the case may be). Deforestation for example is known to accelerate desertification and affect weather patterns, yet the propaganda images of brown feet on parched soils link it only to CO2. I am horrified that some greens, even one of my heros, David Bellamy, are advocating nuclear energy because its use will decrease emission of greenhouse gas.

    It seems every environmental issue is attributed to CO2 and the science, though I am not a scientist, seems sloppy or speculative. A classic example is the failure to allow for the effect of particulate matter in the atmosphere on solar radiation. Until recently it was a mystery why ‘pan evaporation rate’ had decreased when all the models had predicted an increase.(google: Changes in Australian Pan Evaporation from 1970 to 2002). When air traffic was suspended after 911, evaporation rates approached the predicted levels as the air cleared a little. To me, though I am not a climate scientist, particulate matter in the atmosphere and its effect on solar radiation would be an obvious and essential variable in any computer modelling. How many other subtle or undiscovered variables have not been taken into account?
    And not to make light of low lying islands serious plight, but have we actually recorded a rise in sea level yet? After the tsunami a few years back I saw pictures of some islands where the coral was high and dry. The movement of tectonic plates had raised these islands several metres. Darwin wrote about this phenomenon in one of his first books. Some islands are rising, and some are sinking. This is a natural and inevitable geological process and may have nothing to do with anthropocentric climate change.

    I am sceptical by nature, and have a tendency to play the devils advocate. I am open to all data and new theories but don’t like it when comments such as ‘the debate on climate change is settled’ become accepted.

    I believe that trees are one of the major factors modifying climate, and there is mountains of data to verify this. Why do none of these debates discuss deforestation as a factor in climate change? CO2 and increased temperatures stimulate tree growth. Maybe I am a simple and naieve man, but my simple and naieve solution is this: consume less, travel less and plant more trees!(and grow a bit of food if you think you might need to eat)

  3. Well a week to go after one of squabbling over not paying third World countries and now George suggests $150 billion per annum for them while the US spends $700 p.a. on war.
    Clearly their plan is to destroy the World not save it.
    Last night in Chiang Mai UCLA Lecurer Paul Tiffany told students a) The US political system of Red & Blue is frozen in division, b) Thailand is much the same with Red & Yellow and the top people in Bangkok are telling him a civil war is coming & c) The Chinese populace is so furious at systemic corruption that riots are running at 100,000 p.a. and likewise folk are saying there that a civil war will erupt.
    Maybe if these things happen early enough the Chinese can get back on their bikes and lead the World out of the mess?
    Meanwhile will the island states pull out the Joker in their hand? Will they close their airports and give their Western (and rich Eastern) guests an extended holiday until Cop15 accepts a list of demands such as – Halving World air traffic as from January 1st; Banning new coalfired power stations, reducing fossil fuel use by 10% p.a. from next year etc..

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